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Post by EvanEvan on Dec 4, 2012 14:22:09 GMT -8
Okay so this was a random thought of mine. Who would win in a one-on-one fight, The Enterprise form Star Trek the next generation (Because Picard is boss.) Or A Imperial II-class Star Destroyer. Now a lot of people would argue the fight is one sided (On both sides) but I think it would be a good fight. Now I know there's a clear size differences but that could work as an advantage, A whole David vs. Goliath thing. I Also want to remove the TIE fighters and any other ships that could come swarming out of the destroyer with that being said the same goes for the Enterprise and they can't beam anyone aboard the Star Destroyer to destroy it form the inside out. I'm also removing all Jedi or Sith and any force user from the Star Destroyer. Now I want explained answers that are not based on bias (David you know what I mean) (Tim? I think you once mentioned you favored Star Trek I think, I don't remember) I want you to back-up your answer.
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Post by GoldenAmber on Jan 6, 2013 0:29:02 GMT -8
Look, the Enterprise is the obvious favorite here. A)The Enterprise's crew is clearly smarter and more BAMF in general though fewer in number. PICARD+DATA=ALMOST UNDEFEATABLE vs. DARTH VADER + Every ship commander on the side of evil in Star wars= killed/captured by Jedi in 2 seconds to 2 hours on average from the time the Jedi reach the bridge. B)The typical Imperial class destroyer is 250% bigger then the Enterprise, this should make it slower and less maneuverable as well as being a larger target. C)With the removal of the external fighters the Enterprise would not be severely hindered while the Star destroyer would significantly have to change tactic. D)The Star Destroyers run on solar something engines (I think if I remember right) while the Enterprise runs on anti-matter. If in deep-space, the Enterprise has a clear advantage propulsionwise. E)If the rebels could take some over during the battle of Endor, they really can't be that hard to take down. F)The Star Destroyer uses tractor beams, the Enterprise can deploy Anti-matter bombs into said tractor beams. G) They both use what appear to be similar shields. H) The only robot on the Enterprise is fully competent, the Imperial Star? NOT SO MUCH GUYS. In, conclusion: Star Destroyer = Limo with guns and dumb driver Enterprise = Austen Martin with guns and James Bond is driving Clear winner goes to the Enterprise!
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Post by EvanEvan on Jan 6, 2013 16:36:08 GMT -8
Good point I see no room for a good counter argument here but I know that after seeing this David will think of one but I would like to bring up one point. The outside of the star destroyer is riddled with fully rotatable guns. It wont need need maneuverability to hit you when it doesn't need to move. Also with its vast quintette of guns it can also get a lot more shots off at one. I say if the shields goes on the Enterprise, the fight is won for the empire. I'm also making an amendment there are no Sith or Jedi on the Star Destroyer. They have for to much power and Since the Star Destroyer I'm talking about is a later model it may only appeared after order 66 making Anakin as Darth Vader the only active force user and he has the power to demolish a mountain giving the Empire a clear advantage.
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Post by Kage Tenma on Jan 9, 2013 16:29:33 GMT -8
Even I who love Star Wars love have to admit that without it's smaller ships that the Destroyer would probably lose in a one on one fight. That like saying an Aircraft Carrier is less important than a Battleship when the very opposite is true, or at least was. But ship to ship, Enterprise wins in pure battle capability.
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Post by EvanEvan on Jan 9, 2013 21:51:58 GMT -8
The Imperial Class-II wasn't just an Carrier. At least that's what I remember reading, you may want to look that up if you haven't already. I'm still surprise you would side with the Enterprise.
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Post by GoldenAmber on Jan 10, 2013 18:56:04 GMT -8
Lets just admit that even Kage thinks that the Enterprise would win! GOOO Trekkies! (I'm not saying I'm not also a fan of Star Wars.) Resistance to my argument is futile! ;)
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Post by Kage Tenma on Jan 12, 2013 10:59:23 GMT -8
No it's not just a carrier, but having smaller ships makes up for it's flaws. It is slower and while is quite strong in defense it seems to lack a larger gun to take out full out ships like itself. Then again it didn't need that being as it was created in a time that the empire had nothing to fear but small resistance groups.
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Post by Tim a la Mod[e] on Jan 20, 2013 17:59:53 GMT -8
Ok, look, the whole thing about a star destroyer was that without scrambling TIE fighters one of them can be disabled by one well shielded frigate (the Millenium Falcon).
The Star Destroyers are built so that one of them can guard an entire planet. They do this in a very specific manner, they do not do orbital bombardments until the enemy surrenders, they are themselves formidable in space but the real thing about a Star Destroyer is that it's the transport for an army. A Star Destroyer without TIE fighters is like a single aircraft carrier on the ocean without any planes. Yes, it can still put up a very good fight, but with the skill differences we're talking about in terms of tactics and quality of training and technology, it's going to eventually be brought down in a fight against a skilled and versatile opponent like the Enterprise.
The interesting notion is if the Enterprise could take on the Star Destroyer WITH the TIE-fighters. I mean, TIE-fighters aren't very sturdy vessels, it is clearly stated that they are very cheap to produce and many corners are cut in their production rendering the entire ship as one big essential piece and any damage to it fatal. They wouldn't be able to even ram through the shields of the Enterprise in a head on collision. They would, however, keep the Enterprise very busy, give the Star Destroyer time to actually put it's massive gun arrays to prolonged use against the superior shielding of the Enterprise (it IS superior shielding because it's not a single shield that is always on it's reactionary armor thus conserves energy and puts that conserved energy exactly where it's needed and thus putting more blocking power behind it), and, I think, made it a much more even fight.
I'm more a Star Wars fan actually because of the Jedi, but I try to keep up to date with everything.
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