Most Important?

[Kage Tenma]

I love you guys....lol...when I posed this question, I was asking as Mathew said, and that is if you had to have only one, which would you have...maybe that's how I should of named it. I do also think that as long as you are wise, you will have experienced enough to become intelligent, and if you use your gained intelligence you will not have to rely upon luck. I'm not saying it would be a great life, but I'd rather me Wise so that I could make better decisions so that luck would not have much of a influence on my life.

[EvanEvan]

I would still go with intelligence (if that is what I picked it was that or wisdom I forget lol) it just seems like the most secure choice.

[Tim a la Mod[e]]

I think, after a day or two of thought on this, that although only Luck functions at all without another of the three, if we are talking about having a total mastery of the one you pick and none of the others, I would go with Knowledge.

To explain this choice, let's look at the other ones.

First, definitions. This is remembering in mind that whatever it is is absolute.

Luck=Anyone not know what that means? You can suceed without skill because your good at random things, and all you have to do is push random buttons, dig in a random spot, point at a random person and say "thief" to a random guy who turns out to be a sucessful pickpocket who happens to be doing his only job and you didn't notice. Just do random. You win three contests in a row and you don't get picked by the FBI for an investigation. You win a car, you get a lead job in the best film of the century, you get money to start your own buisness and end up the CEO of a multi billion dollar company.

Wisdom=Ability to know what to do/what needs to be done/what you could physically do without killing yourself.

Knowledge=to know everything about everything.

Now analize what each can't do without the others.

Luck= You could change the world with your power. But you won't know how. You have to ask the bum sage without luck. Without wisdom or knowledge, you're screwed to be just another random guy, lost in history.

Wisdom=Pretty much nothing except maybe make a bums life better by giving advice. With the worst of bad luck (a complete absense of luck) you couldn't get a job, you couldn't get ahead in the stock market, you couldn't find a good place to live as a homeless person. And without knowledge you won't have the experience to judge whether up is down.

Knowledge=Again, nothing much for yourself. But you can pass knowledge on to ones with wisdom! But seriously, a guy with knowledge and nothing else could still change the world for sure. Because all you have to do is find a piece of paper, a pen, an envelope, and a stamp to change the world. Might have problems getting them becuase you can't get anywhere in life without a smidgen of luck, but if I was a bum I would find quarters around and buy those instead of food, cuz if I was a bum theres other bums to get that food. I could go hungry for a couple days to change the world.

Would you rather be an inexperienced idiot with the best luck in the world, an unlucky person with no experience but knowing exactly what you want and need to do in any given situation, or an unlucky person who knows everything in the universe and how to improve our world yet has no idea what he wants to do or what needs to be done?

Personally I would rather be the person with all the knowledge there is. Look at the options.

The lucky idiot wouldn't know what to do if they did get rich, and theres enough of those in the world to deal with already. Do we need more talentless famous idiots? No we don't. Would most like to be one? Yes.

And both the unlucky sage and the unlucky know-it-all would have no luck at all, so they wouldn't get anywhere. If your going to be a nothing for the rest of your life, would you rather not know anything but know what to do with any you learn, or a person with every scrap of knowlegde ever?

The two go hand in hand, so one without the other is almost useless. But still, the lesser evil is being all knowing and at least being able to write some of it down for others to find eventually.

But that's only extremes. Absolutes. The "if" that includes not one iota of the others and all possible of the one you chose. Here's another if.

IF it was lesser, which means you get a drop on the others and a boost on the one you pick, what trait would I rather have? Hands down Wisdom.

Bit of a lucky guy, a guy with experience, or a guy who knows what to do? Again, wisdom.

IF I had to go without one though... Wisdom. A retard (in the actual meaning of the word) an unlucky person, or someone who doesn't know what to do? Is there not people we use for telling us what to do? Maybe leaders in general?

That's odd that it would come out as the one I would like most yet the one I could live without. But there.

aaaaand I'm done. Thats it for seriousness.

Some people would choose personal happiness and go with luck, but at least I'M ready to change the world! Geez... selfish people! ;D

lol

[Zilfer]

Sept 30, 2009 9:35:25 GMT -8 @bookwurm21 said:

yes, but ur basing ur answer on if the luck is infinite.Some people actually do rely solely on luck, and they live homeless on the street, and they are dying. others that have done so are dead. If luck was so infinite, these people would not be in the situations they are in. But with knowledge, you can support yourself in life, get a job, and maybe even earn more money than is worth it. Wisdom is not as important as Knowledge, because it can't replace what you know in your head. Wisdom is nearly as useless as luck, actually.

Incorrect those people you would say is Unlucky, and there are smart people living in the street's just as much as dumb. It's all a stroke of horrible luck. If you have luck you can do anything.

Shit, there are people who get chusion jobs all the time who don't deserve it, or were qualified for it in the first part.

I'd like to point out a flaw of reasoning in Tim's post as well.

You can change the world not matter what you do. Just because you don't know "how" to change the world does not equate that you "cannot" change the world. There are two differences, and with a bit of luck, you can change it the way you want it.


in the end no matter how smart you are, or wise luck can still strike you down in a moments notice.

Be an einstien but if you have shitty luck, no one will recognize your theories until MAYBE perhaps your dead. Writing books are like this, it's a stroke of luck if you become famous from writing a book. Look at JK Rowling. or however it's spelt, she was writing harry potter on napkins while she was waiting people.

You can know how to become a CEO of a mass country but if you never get the opertunities, it's futile. ultimately you need luck, that random % that defines the possibilities that can happen while you are alive. The figment of people's imagination that seems to have a will of it's own.

Luck may not be real, but neither is time. And we have over 5 Billion people living as if Time is real.

[EvanEvan]

I think both Tim and Zilfer are correct in there statements and I would rebuttal if I though I could win.

[Ron]

Sorry, but I have to agree with Zilfer on this one cause that whole getting a girlfriend without actually trying seems pretty relevant to my situation right now, well, actually its more like I tried and then gave up, and then the girl found me lol. But yeah, I'd have to agree with him lol.

[~Narino~]

That's how Mat got me ^.^ And David didn't get Athena with wisdom or intelligence. Anyways, Mat had a crush on me but he didn't ask me out, then I had to move and he was sad but I ended up falling for him and I asked him out. Luck is everything!

[Tim a la Mod[e]]

I still think that, as long as your aims are personal, then go ahead, choose luck. How many lucky people change the world?

Another point: of those, how many change it for the better? I guess I might just be a history buff, but does anyone remember the guy who found diamonds in Africa and started Europe's rush for African colonies? He was definitely lucky. Pretty much the reason for why the slave trade took off at a sprint, that guy.

And maybe it doesn't have to be the absence of all others, just normal doses of each. If you're wise enough, you can make your own luck. If your knowledgable enough, then you can figure out something to do with it. Luck is potent, but it isn't everything.

[Zilfer]

Jul 4, 2010 15:23:24 GMT -8 Tim a la Mod[e] said:

I still think that, as long as your aims are personal, then go ahead, choose luck. How many lucky people change the world?

Another point: of those, how many change it for the better? I guess I might just be a history buff, but does anyone remember the guy who found diamonds in Africa and started Europe's rush for African colonies? He was definitely lucky. Pretty much the reason for why the slave trade took off at a sprint, that guy.

And maybe it doesn't have to be the absence of all others, just normal doses of each. If you're wise enough, you can make your own luck. If your knowledgable enough, then you can figure out something to do with it. Luck is potent, but it isn't everything.

First off some of the bloodiest chapters in history start off with the "best intentions" and these people are sometimes considered the wises people. Look where Knowledge has gotten us, or example Einstien, He was smart yes, and he did change the world. Hell he built the nucular bomb, but hey who is to say it changed it for the better? With knowledge comes power, and with power comes choices. If you are in a high enough position any decision you make is going to have negative consequences somewhere.


I disagree that you can make your own luck. You can increase your chances of a positive outcome but you cannot garentee anything without luck.


As for how many lucky people change the world? How lucky do you think half of the people who invented something or stumbbled across something useful? Most successful people have a stroke of luck.

You can be the best Science fiction writer to ever live but if your never discovered, just like a music singer, it wont make one lick of difference.

There used to be 2 different types of Movie watching "tapes" back in the day. VHS, and another one i forget the name of right now. Well this nameless tape company actually had a BETTER product, however they lucked out in the market and lost to an inferior product that we have all come to know as VHS.

Luck is a big part of the world. Without it half of scientific discoveries, advancements, and knowledge of how the world works wouldn't be here. ;P

Besides who doesn't want luck? It helps you get the women.

[Kage Tenma]

....helps you get the ladies...nice Mathew, but I have to admit you have a fair point there. If not for the chance that I met Chad, we probably wouldn't have been that close of friends. If we hadn't been friends we wouldn't have hung out in the same group most likely. If not for luck I may not have noticed that we were having a play at SJH when I was younger. If not for that I probably wouldn't have been as close of friends as I was with Robin. If not for the chance that we all hung out together in the morning then you wouldn't have met Robin really. If not for all of these factors coinciding then you and robin wouldn't be going out.

And this doesn't just affect you. If Robin hadn't moved away, which probably seemed like bad luck to both of us, then she wouldn't have met Athena, who she met by chance really because they lived in the same apartment complex. Even then it wasn't certain they would become friends, that too was luck. After that I just happened to tell her about my loneliness and she made it so Athena and I could start talking over the internet. So in this I believe you are right Mathew.